PD 6 AP ENGLISH LANGUAGE
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Reflect on our time with Thank You For Arguing. Answer at least 1 of these discussion questions in the below space.
Your response should be THOUGHTFUL. It should be at least 4 sentences long. After posting your response, please comment on the responses of at least 2 of your peers. Remember our norms of online discussion. Your responses should add to the discussion (ie ask further questions, remark on things you agree/disagree with in responses). Happy blogging arguers!!
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Sarah Kingery
9/6/2017 10:27:18 am
Before I read Thank You for Arguing my connotation of arguing was that it had to involve yelling. When I argued before I usually just stated my opinion over and over again and let my emotions get in the way. After reading Thank You for Arguing, I use the tools that I've learned in my arguments. Now I think more level headed and control the argument, instead of getting into a screaming match.
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Sarah-Catherine Hartiens
9/7/2017 11:43:44 am
Why is it that a very large percent of young people, including myself, imagine arguing negatively? Is it because of our parents, education, or a population lacking knowledge of rhetoric?
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Eulalia Marsal
9/7/2017 04:52:50 pm
I think that we imagined arguing as a bad thing because we didn't know the full meaning of the word, but now that we know we have another perspective of it.
Jeff Montinar
9/7/2017 03:15:56 pm
Sarah, I was the same way before I read Thank You For Arguing and now I can tell the difference when an argument has escalated into a fight. The first question I asked Mr. Heinrich was do you get into more fights or arguments now?
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Kaci Cotton
9/7/2017 06:37:52 pm
I agree with him on rhetoric being taught in high school and college. I feel this way because you're taught how to write argumentative essays in high school, but I've seen many of my peers unable to write them correctly. A lot of times, they don't even have an argument! The emphasis on it would definitely change how topics are discussed, how essays are written, and how students perceive text and non-text
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Charli Sween
9/6/2017 10:27:54 am
I believe rhetoric should be taught in school. It teaches us a way to fight for our side of an argument. It helps us have a thorough argument. If we were taught rhetoric then it could help us in a certain aspect of fighting for what we believe in and making our side of an argument heard.
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Sarah-Catherine Hartiens
9/7/2017 11:45:35 am
Does rhetoric actually help us fight or persuade others to think like us? I think a major part of rhetoric is how word choice changes everything from being brutal to calm and respectful.
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Alexis Barnhart
9/6/2017 10:31:10 am
Should rhetoric be taught in school?
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Morgan Johnson
9/7/2017 05:41:11 pm
I totally agree. Math class is too specific, there's one way the answer should be and it doesn't leave room for arguing. Rhetoric is so much broader and most times there's no definite answer. If everyone in the school had to choose whether to focus in math or rhetorical classes, which do you think would be more popular?
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Maggie Piazza
9/6/2017 10:31:52 am
The text of this book impacted my view of argument greatly. When arguing about a topic, I would normally just yell my way into the win of the argument by just simply stressing that my opinion or point was right. This book taught me that there are so many ways to speak through an arugment that makes you sound professional and smart, like backing up points with facts and certain persuasive techniques. This especially comes in handy with the knowledge learned for the classroom when debating in class. These techniques help dramatically to get successful points across with out it turning in to a yelling fiasco.
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Jeff Montinar
9/7/2017 03:36:12 pm
I agree completely with you Maggie. Techniques like volume control and humor got me to be the best persuader in my house.
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Brent Moore The First
9/6/2017 10:37:52 am
I was most interested that he liked the movie “Straight Out of Compton”. I was surprised by this because he seems like the type of person that likes a good intellectual movie rather than a movie based on a true story. I was also surprised at how much he knew about rap and at how enthralled he was at Jeff’s shirt. He was extremely knowledgeable about older rap which shocked me.
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Morgan Johnson
9/7/2017 05:43:59 pm
Omg I agree. That through me for a loop, I think the fact he was open to other suggestions (and he listens to activist Kendrick Lamar like whaaaaaaat?) proves to us that he is very open and youthful like us. Who knows...maybe he used a tactic on us! Do you think he used a technique on us?
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Morgan Johnson
9/7/2017 05:45:09 pm
Threw*
Sarah Hartle
9/6/2017 03:26:32 pm
I think rhetoric should be taught in school, not because it makes you sound better during a discussion, but because it can get you into better situations, or out of a reasonably worse spot than you are now. Being able to effectively persuade someone is extremely important, for example, his case about getting out of a speeding ticket. This isn't where rhetoric ends, though, because you can use these skills to persuade colleges to give you scholarships, get a career, and make someone like you. It would make the most sense that we would learn something that would help us do more with our lives, changing classroom instruction for the better.
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Hailey Sebastian
9/7/2017 05:34:32 am
Rhetoric definitely should be taught in schools and more widely across the world. It is a critical part of any argument. However, Mr.Heinrich did say that if we all knew how to argue there would be no wars and the world might be a little boring. I agree 100%. His book taught me that there are so many ways to argue and that arguing is not just pushing your point out and not listening to the other side. I think that everyone should get to know these tools, it can only better their speech and ability to argue.
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Sarah-Catherine Hartiens
9/7/2017 11:40:58 am
Should rhetoric be taught in school?
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Rachel Rodriguez
9/7/2017 12:28:33 pm
Jay's text made me realized that arguing is so much more than what we typically know it as. Before I saw arguments as something long, mean, aggressive, and something I tried to avoid at all costs. Now I see it as a discussion that you can have with someone about a topic you might disagree on. It's made me see that there are serval ways and techniques to effective have a cival conversation with someone.
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Eulalia Marsal
9/7/2017 04:48:28 pm
I agree with Rachel, the book made me realize that arguing is something more that what I thought it was and that we are always arguing
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Jeff Montinar
9/7/2017 03:08:51 pm
The most interesting comment I found when we Skyped Mr. Heinricks was that rhetoric is everywhere and in everything. For example, him and I were discussing Straight Outta Compton the movie and N.W.A's music because of my Straight Outta Ville shirt that I mistakenly wore. He said music is a form of argument that sometimes taps into the emotional side, pathos, to either explain or educate the listener. N.W.A did exactly that by using their platform to produce gangsta rap as an outlet to conversate about their political views to their daily struggle of being black in America.
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Taylor Swiger
9/7/2017 07:16:37 pm
This was honestly my favorite part of the conversation. I never really thought about arguments in song lyrics, but I always did analyze them. Heinrichs and Gearhart are going to ruin all art for me.
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Sarah Brown
9/8/2017 06:48:54 pm
I agree with you on this because he made me realize too that arguments are everywhere, even when we don't realize it. I feel like he has reached the point where he can turn anything into an argument, and I think that that is pretty cool.
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Eulalia Marsal
9/7/2017 05:04:47 pm
The book changed completely my view of argument because it made me realize that arguing is not a bad thing, now I see it as a much complex form to have a conversation with someone, share ideas, points of view and to can have arguments not in an angry way.
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Finnegan Hall
9/7/2017 08:40:14 pm
I agree that arguing doesn't always have to be negative. Arguing is just a way to show your point of view to others.
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Tyler Seidel
9/7/2017 05:30:01 pm
Out of all the comments made during our Skype session with Jay Heinrichs the comments I enjoyed most were those made during Jay`s conversation with Jeff. I walked into the library expecting to be lectured on rhetoric this and rhetoric that but I found out that Jay was actually a pretty interesting and cool person. I think he unintentionally used a tool from his book; decorum, he wanted to get our class interested and after revealing that he enjoyed similar activities as some of the kids in the room I believe our class started to pay more attention to what he had to say. Furthermore, I think that the discussion back and forth about how music utilizes comedy and various other tools to portray an argument was interesting as well. Before this session I had never really though about how an artist could be using the same techniques as scholars and politicians to grab the intention of those listening to their music.
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Lynn Bittorf
9/8/2017 07:48:58 pm
I agree, I expected a lecture and found out he's a super chill dude!
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Morgan Johnson
9/7/2017 05:30:23 pm
I do believe rhetoric should be taught thoroughly in schools, colleges especially. We all have seen how rhetoric is everywhere, so why should it be okay NOT to learn about what's all around us, influencing our interactions with others. I feel as though if rhetoric were taught (even if it wasn't the advanced techniques) throughout the nation, people would naturally favor forward-thinking. Why waste time trying to convince the educated masses that _____ is guilty for causing _____ when that time could be spent deliberating on a plan to resolve/improve _______, which should happen regardless of who did/didn't do it.
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Taylor Swiger
9/7/2017 07:13:49 pm
You are too clever for this class lol. I especially like the fact that you make the connection that rhetoric leads to forward thinking. To build arguments, you need to learn what is around you and how to assimilate or adapt to it.
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Alicyn
9/7/2017 05:32:04 pm
I never thought about an argument being so complex and I would just stop the argument because I couldn't retort back fast enough. It showed that there are many ways to win in an argument with anyone. An argument to me was something I knew I would never have back up point for, but with the tools he used and explained it showed me more. I am seeing and using the tools more since reading the book.
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Logan Riffey
9/7/2017 05:45:08 pm
The conversation was very worth having, in my opinion. Jay is has a natural comedic nature which further enchanted the conversation. His way of introducing his new book tying in Lynn’s pet question was very well inserted. He is very much correct on his thoughts on rhetoric being taught in schools. It would be a useful tool to be taught early on so pupils can develop the skill greatly before college. Even in real life situations this would be efficient. The ability to persuade a group of coworkers to follow your project would be extrnemely helpful, for example.
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Finnegan Hall
9/7/2017 08:36:46 pm
I agree with Logan. If Rhetoric was taught more effectively in younger populations, it would be a tool they could use throughout their lives to benefit themselves and others.
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Taylor Swiger
9/7/2017 07:08:54 pm
Rhetoric should be taught in schools. Obviously, it's beneficial, but lots of people here aren't very specific as to why. I find it to be an asset to our society because it would delve more people deeper into critical thinking. Pathos in the modern age of America seems to have stolen our hearts and taken over our minds, making many people make decisions purely on emotion. With proper rhetoric and making use of arguing tools, people in society I think would listen more to opposing views, come up with better arguments, and make better decisions. Even if the most important arguments ended in stalemate, I would feel better knowing that decisions weren't made on whims and emotions. (LOOK HERE I DID MY ASSIGNMENT A DAY BEFORE IT WAS DUE!!!)
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Sarah Brown
9/8/2017 06:52:51 pm
I agree that critical thinking is a skill that we need in our society. I think a lot of people have lost that skill, and that is a bad thing because it can lead to close-mindedness and the blind acceptance of information.
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Lynn Bittorf
9/8/2017 07:47:36 pm
I like your choice of words "stolen our hearts and taken over our minds". Also much congrats on doing your assignment a day before it was due, I did mine an hour before!
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Finnegan Hall
9/7/2017 08:33:57 pm
I think that from reading Thank You For Arguing I have learned that there are two sides to every argument. Everyone has different opinions and viewpoints on issues, and not all of them are right, neither are all of them wrong. Thank You For Arguing taught me that in order to effectively argue your point, you must also understand the point you are arguing against. I think after reading the book I think of arguing as a way of persuasive communication, rather than a negative, heated conversation.
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Emma Jones
9/8/2017 08:19:51 pm
For me learning about your opponents side helps you become more educated in every aspect of the argument and the world around you. It may even change your mind beforehand. Let's say everyone searched before they argued and learned about their opponents side. How do you think that would change the world around us?
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Caitlyn Kinsey
9/8/2017 09:01:26 am
I believe the skills of rhetoric and argument should be more widely taught throughout education. Essentially, the tools and skills taught by Heinrichs are ways for students to express their views and opinions about a variety of things in a concise and professional manner. Unlike common misconceptions, argument is not negative when used constructively and to build a wider range of thoughts and ideas.
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Caitlyn
9/8/2017 09:03:39 am
There will always be more than one side to the story, and I think it is important that students know how to be open to learning and arguing those different sides to expand their horizons. (Accidentally clicked submit before I was finished!)
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Sarah Brown
9/8/2017 06:45:27 pm
Before reading this book, I didn't realize that arguments were literally everywhere. I knew the difference between arguing and fighting, but I never thought that almost everything we say is an argument. Also, it made me realize how many techniques there are for arguing and that I have been using some of them all along. This book opened my eyes to the world of argument and rhetoric and made me think in a way that I would not have thought without reading this book.
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Emma Jones
9/8/2017 08:15:12 pm
I had the same reaction Sarah. My eyes and ears are open to rhetoric all the time Even if I can't think of the techniques in the moment I know what I missed after the fact which helps me know what to do in the future.
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Lynn Bittorf
9/8/2017 07:45:48 pm
I thought it was really interesting that he talked about his cats and their names. Very cheesy I know, but it is so true about what he was saying referring to how you name your cat and then they grow up and have a different personality that doesn't fit their name. I also very much appreciated that he has unique cat names after book characters. And he speaks "ein bissein Deutsch" (a little bit German) that's super cool. He seems like a super chill person, like the kind of guy you could go out to lunch with and talk about life.
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Emma Jones
9/8/2017 08:11:38 pm
Thank you for arguing has definitely changed the way I think about any conversation I have with other people. It's not just about who's right and who's wrong anymore and now I realize that. Arguing involves many layers of knowledge and skill in order to get what you want out of it. Each individual moment can effect how the argument will turn out even if no one is speaking.
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Maddie Nyce
9/9/2017 08:18:51 am
I definitely think rhetoric should be taught in high schools more. Often times people, not only teenagers, associate arguing with anger and yelling. The world today could benefit from a generation that understands what an argument truly is.
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