PD 4 ENGLISH 10 HONORS
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We are going to try something a little bit different today. While you are in the outer circle, you will be discussing the questions digitally, rather than verbally. In the comments area below, please discuss the day 1 questions. To get your full points for today, you must respond at least 5 times, at least two of these should be in the form of an original post, your other comments may be in original posts, or in reply to your peers. Please use text support for your answers. I will be checking your discussion, and you will receive a grade, so please use this space appropriately. Questions for Day 1:
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Tyler Seidel
4/12/2017 07:33:16 am
Question 2: If this story had taken place in a modern setting it would be impossible for Macbeth to take Ducan's place as King. Firstly, if a person with as much power as Duncan there would be a group of security protecting him at all times and would be specifically trained to do so. Second even if Macbeth was able to murder Duncan then he would be discovered immediately. If a person who commands as much power as a king was murdered then the news would spread like wildfire with multiple organizations attempting to solve his murder and thus Macbeth would be sentenced to either life in prison or be executed.
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Kathleen Laidlow
4/12/2017 07:44:53 am
I didn't even realize that a king would have security. I thought of security cameras catching him and Lady Macbeth.
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Jordan Jones
4/12/2017 07:54:35 am
But the King did have guards. Macbeth and Lady Macbeth got them so drunk that their memories "the warder of the brain, shall be fume, and the receipt of reason a limebeck only" (act 1, scene 7) and then Macbeth murdered them. I do think Macbeth would be discovered quickly, though.
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Brent Moore The First
4/12/2017 07:56:33 am
Although Lady Macbeth did get the guards drunk it was a different time. It would be seen as unprofessional to drink on the job in modern day.
Jordan Jones
4/12/2017 07:34:36 am
1. If the witches came to Lady Macbeth instead of Macbeth, I feel like things would have been different in the sense that, either she would have made Macbeth kill the king himself, or she would have made Macbeth hire someone to kill the king. In the latter's case, I believe Macbeth would've been a kinder king. He wouldn't of been plagued by guilt as much, I'd think. In turn, with Macbeth as a kinder King, less people would die, causing him to, in turn, not going as crazy and making things lead up to the events of Macbeth's murder and Lady Macbeth's supposed suicide.
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/12/2017 07:51:57 am
If the witches had come to Lady Macbeth instead I feel like we would have seen her play a more dominant role throughout the whole play. Not just in the beginning but even to the end. They might of been closer as well but at the same time they probably would still drift apart.
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Hunter parsons
4/12/2017 07:59:42 am
Yes this is true. But how do you think it would have played out if she would have decided to wait instead of instantly thinking of killing him? Do you think Macbeth would still have guilt if he had hired someone due to the fact that he is having someone killed?
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Brent Moore The First
4/12/2017 07:34:48 am
1. Absolutely nothing would have changed if the witches went straight to Lady Macbeth because Lady Macbeth was the one that pressured Macbeth to kill Duncan. It would have shortened the play maybe.
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Ej Heath
4/12/2017 08:01:02 am
I agree with you on this question. Lady Macbeth was low key crazy and controlling
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Ej heath
4/12/2017 07:38:04 am
Question 2 : If this would have taken place in a modern setting I think we wouldn't really have a play.The technology we have today is way more advanced than what they have in the time period in Macbeth. Also I don't even think that there are cops in Macbeth. That's so much more different than today. It's almost like there is a cop around every corner today. So if Macbeth took place in modern time he would have gotten caught and then punished way sooner. So the play would be way shorter.
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/12/2017 07:40:06 am
6. Macbeth's death is caused by freewill because everyone has a chose. Macbeth had serval chances to chose not to do the choices he ended up choice get. Because he chose to make these desicions he fate ended up being his death. Fate and freewill go hand in hand. With every action has a equal and opposite reaction. Every action we make has a set conqueneces at the end. Unfortunately for Macbeth his freewill lead him to his ultimate death.
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Mad die Nyce (why must autocorrect hate my name :))
4/12/2017 08:00:41 am
I love that you pointed out the fact that actions have consequences. In the story, I think Shakespeare emphasizes the relationship between "action" and "consequence".
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Jordan Jones
4/12/2017 07:41:00 am
13. I don't think it's possible to retain your sanity if you have absolute power. As it's been said, "absolute power corrupts absolutely". The power goes to one's head and corrupts you from the inside out. Macbeth proved that from barely being King and murdering people left and right.
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Brent Moore The First
4/12/2017 07:50:40 am
I say it is indeed possible to keep your sanity if you have absolute power because it is your actions that decide if you corrupt. Macbeth murdered someone to get absolute power which caused him to corrupt with in himself.
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Tyler Seidel
4/12/2017 07:42:06 am
Question 7: Macbeth is at fault for the murders throughout this play. The witches may have given him a prophecy and Lady Macbeth may have assisted him but it is Macbeth who has chosen to act on their influence. I do not believe in fate, I believe that the actions I take ultimately determine where I end up. Due to this I can't believe that Macbeth was always destined to murder the King and that it was Macbeth's decision to kill the King, to kill the servants, to kill Banquo, and to raid fife. My opinion has remained the same since the beginning of this play and I doubt it will change in the future.
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Ej Heath
4/12/2017 07:54:58 am
I totally agree with you on this question. However , if the witches would have not told Macbeth about the prophecy, do you think that he would have killed the king? Or maybe would he still have killed the king but at a way later time ?
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Tyler Seidel
4/23/2017 07:35:30 pm
I feel that Macbeth wouldn't have a desire to usurp the king's power and as a result would remain a loyal subject.
Kathleen Laidlow
4/12/2017 07:42:07 am
Question 7: After reading the entire play, I still believe everyone is to blame: the witches, Macbeth, and Lady Macbeth. The witches "planted the seed" and gave him the idea of becoming king. Without them, I don't think he would've thought of killing everyone to become king. Lady Macbeth pushed him to kill Duncan, even after he told her he didn't want to anymore. She forced him to become the murderous psychopath he becomes in the later acts. However, it is also Macbeth's fault. He could've stopped anytime but he listened to his wife and killed Duncan anyways. He also wasn't pushed to kill anyone else, he killed the rest of those people because he decided. However, the witches also gave him the idea to kill some of the others he killed, such as Banquo and attempted to kill Fleance. The witches told him that Banquo's sons would become king, so it gave him the idea to kill them to so he could keep all the power.
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Jordan Jones
4/12/2017 07:45:07 am
But don't you think that if the witches hadn't told Macbeth and Banquo about the prophecy, then none of this would have happened? They planted the seed, yes, but without them, the wicked flower of this play would have never bloomed.
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Kathleen Laidlow
4/12/2017 07:48:20 am
Yes, I pointed that out in the beginning. I don't think Macbeth would've thought of killing anybody. I think Lady Macbeth might've thought of the idea however, because she immediately thought of killing people for Macbeth to get to the crown faster.
Brent Moore The First
4/12/2017 07:43:59 am
4. The moment Macbeth truly went crazy was when the sharpest point of the dagger ripped through Duncan's silk clothes and pierced Duncan's skin. There was no point of return after that and he kept trying to cover his tracks.
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Hunter parsons
4/12/2017 07:46:51 am
I like the detailed description
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Brent Moore The First
4/12/2017 07:52:11 am
Thank you
Maddie Nyce
4/12/2017 07:44:15 am
3. Shakespeare is saying that generally a man is more likely to be violent and more prone to evil. It is why Lady Macbeth calls on spirits to make her more like a man. "Come you spirits that tend on mortal thoughts, unsex me here..(Act 1, Scene 5, Page 18) I think that the character Lady Macbeth is so unsettling not because of her mental insanity, but because she is the exact opposite of what society views a "Lady" as. She isn't kind and gentle, as someone of her status in those days normally was. She played the "kind hostess", clearly already knowing how to act as a "Lady".
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/12/2017 07:57:36 am
Shakespeare is definitely challenging the gender roles of the time like you stated. Everyone in this time period had a very strict view on gender roles in society. He probably did this to show that women are more than just baby popping machines. Shakespeare did this to show that men or women have a set of specific roles.
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Hunter parsons
4/12/2017 07:44:53 am
Question 7: I feel, by the time the play had ended. That in the end it was more of Macbeth's fault. I feel as if he didn't have to kill the king even after being peer pressured in to it. He had the decision in his hands. He didn't have to kill Banquo that was his decision. So I feel as if the decision was all up to Macbeth leading it to be his fault.
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/12/2017 07:48:47 am
15. Lady Macbeth feels guilt towards the end because she pushed her guilt aside at the time. She was so filled with greed at the beginning of the story that she did not truly think about how this would effort her at the end. The first time we see Lady Macbeth in Act 1 Scence 5 she is already set on killing the king. She was so focused on the power and the fame that she rushed the process of things. Then when she has it she lets her emotions back in she realizes what she done. Macbeth is the one planning murders and getting things done. The roles have switch and she feels bad about the person that she has created in both of them. I believed she had a different ending to this story and she realizes that it's not going to end like that. As she sees that she knows there no other way so she decides to end it for herself.
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Mad die Nyce :)
4/12/2017 07:56:25 am
I agree, I think that she felt like she lost all control and that is what sends you over the edge. We as people like feeling as if we have control over a situation, even if we truly don't. People (some) can't handle knowing that they are powerless over a certain situation and it drove her to that point of no return.
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Tyler Seidel
4/12/2017 07:57:23 am
I like how you expressed the fact that she only feels remorse towards the end because she has ruined the lives of those she cares about. I also agree with the fact that she rushed her husband to power and didn't stop to think that her actions may end up destroying the lives of those around her. I don't think she ever felt guilty for the murders of people like Duncan and Banquo, I think she feels guilty because she feels she failed to secure a perfect live for her and her husband and thus decides to end her life before she sees her world finally fall apart.
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Maddie Nyce
4/12/2017 07:49:14 am
9. The name Hecate is really important to me because in Greek mythology she is the goddess of magic. The fact that Shakespeare uses that name refers to a higher power, even if she is only a witch in the play. Names have power and significance. It helps contribute to the idea of fate.
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Brent Moore The First
4/12/2017 07:54:52 am
I did not know what Hecate stood for which makes sense of why Shakespeare used that name.
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Tyler Seidel
4/12/2017 07:49:50 am
Question 1: If the witches had gone to Lady Macbeth in the beginning of the story I feel she would have been more methodical and logical when trying to help her husband become King. I think she would have tried to wait it out and see if Macbeth would naturally assume power, and if he doesn't then she would ins a way to kill the King without there being a possibility of her plot being discovered. On top of this she may even decide to leave Macbeth out of the plan allowing him to remain pure throughout the story.
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Kathleen Laidlow
4/12/2017 08:00:33 am
I think some of the events would still be the same, but I do agree that she probably would've waited. Macbeth and Duncan had the interaction that caused Duncan to come to dinner that night. I think that if the witches got to Lady Macbeth she definetly would've thought it out longer. I also think that we might've seen some more of her backstory and if she had kids and what had happened to her father.
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Ej Heath
4/12/2017 07:50:31 am
Question 7 : I believe that the murders are mainly Macbeth's fault. He had the choice and he made the decision to kill. The murders were not even right. They were acts of evil ambition. However, the witches and Lady Macbeth do play large role in Macbeth's decisions. Firstly, if the witches would have not even told Macbeth his future then I don't think he would have killed Duncan. The reason I think this is because Macbeth actually liked the king and the king really trusted Macbeth. Secondly, Lady Macbeth always pushed her husband around and made his choices for him. Even when Macbeth was having second thoughts about killing the king. She pushed him and basically manipulated him into making his mind up for sure.
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Hunter parsons
4/12/2017 07:50:46 am
Question 10: I feel as if they had a strong relationship in the beginning but throughout the play it crumbled to pieces. I feel as if after they killed the king they were more worried about what their future would be like and what would happen to them. They were more worried about themselves than each other.
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Maddie Nyce
4/12/2017 07:54:20 am
13. I definitely think it is possible for someone to retain ones sanity if they have absolute power. Obviously it could take a mental toll on someone, but sanity is determined by many factors. There were many kings who had "absolute power" and died from natural causes, rather than having a revolutionary act kill them.
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Kathleen Laidlow
4/12/2017 07:55:07 am
Question 16: I think the witches were real, but the daggers and spots of blood weren't real. I believe the daggers were just a figment of Macbeth's imagination because he had a guilty conscience already and he hadn't killed anybody yet. I also think that it could've been a sign for Macbeth to turn back and not kill Duncan. If Macbeth's judgement hadn't been so clouded by Lady Macbeth's influence, I think he would've been able to stop himself. The spots of blood also weren't real because they were in a dream Lady Macbeth was having. They might've been real to her in her dream, but they weren't real in reality.
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Jordan Jones
4/12/2017 08:00:42 am
15. I think Lady Macbeth is guilty at the end of the play is because she didn't believe all these people would die. If it wasn't for her telling Macbeth off and making him kill Duncan, Banquo and the entirety of the Macduff family would have died by Macbeth's choices. She may be not all sane, but her guilt made her even less sane.
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/12/2017 08:02:37 am
8. The witches got nothing out of this in fact they got in a lot of trouble. I think they just wanted to see Macbeth die. Witche are evil and bad and they want to see bad things go down.
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Ej Heath
4/13/2017 04:15:23 am
I think the witches are evil and wish nothing but to cause bad things to people.. so I totally agree with you
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Caitlyn Kinsey
4/12/2017 08:02:54 am
2. If this would have taken place in a modern setting, I don't think Macbeth would be able get away with murder for so long because of the technology and advancements in criminal investigations. However, the morality is lesser I feel in modern days so government and news could cover up what he had done for longer.
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