PD 4 ENGLISH 10 HONORS
In the comments section, please discuss one of the below questions. Then, respond to two of your peer's responses.
Your answers should be quality responses of at least 5 thoughtful sentences. Please make sure to respond to peer responses by midnight Monday (4/3). Peer responses must add to the discussion. Responses such as "I agree" or "that is stupendous" will not receive credit.
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Tye Snyder
4/3/2017 07:42:38 am
I believe that Macbeth is going crazy due to the overwhelming guilt. All of his actions are weighing down on his mind. As we can see, this weight is taking a toll on his mental state. Since he is planning on continuing this rampage, his health is most likely not going to improve. Overall, these issues can be his downfall.
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Katherine Asanovich
4/3/2017 07:54:58 am
I agree completely but i think he is starting to be okay with his actions thinking that they are necessary in order to control his fate.
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Kiera Vandyke
4/3/2017 07:56:19 am
I agree after the dinner party everyone is no questioning their choice of making Macbeth king. His overwhelming guilt causing his unstable mental state will be his downfall.
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Brent Moore The First
4/3/2017 07:58:51 am
I agree, but I think he is starting to think it is necessary to do these things to stay King.
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Morgan Johnson
4/3/2017 08:00:03 am
I think he's starting to cover up his guilt by saying it's necessary to do these actions. I think when the Witches and Hecate fool him into thinking he can control fate he will fall for the trick very easily. What would he do if he thought he could really control his fate, and others' too?
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Kathleen Laidlow
4/3/2017 07:48:57 am
Due to the witches telling Macbeth about his fate and him acting on his own freewill, Macbeth has started to go crazy. If you killed somebody/multiple people, wouldn't guilt eat you too? I think Lady Macbeth is slowly starting to realize what she did, and is also starting to lose it. The term "fair is foul and foul is fair" has shown itself mainly through Macbeth's actions of murder. He hasn't been accused yet, making foul fair in this case.
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Maddie Nyce
4/3/2017 07:56:01 am
I like when you mentioned that Macbeth hasn't been accused yet, making "foul fair" in Macbeth's cause. It's a good point to point out because I think we skipped over this fact because we always discuss how Lady Macbeth is the "fair is foul and foul is fair".
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Faith Anderson
4/3/2017 07:49:52 am
I believe that guilt is causing Macbeth to hallucinate. The idea of murdering someone obviously worried him, but he went through with his plan anyway. After murdering the king, Macbeth realized how wrong it was, and it could have caused a psychotic break. He wasn't in a very stable state to begin with if he murdered someone impulsively. The murder just made it worse. Now, he believes he is seeing things that are actually only in his mind. With an unstable mind and now, a murder, it was only a matter of time before it started to affect Macbeth negatively.
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Maddie Nyce
4/3/2017 07:53:55 am
I think that the guilt doesn't cause Macbeth to hallucinate, but i do think that the anxiety that he has given himself does. "Anxiety can play tricks on the mind, and anxiety itself can cause you to fear or think the worst about issues that are otherwise fairly normal. Severe hallucinations, especially visual hallucinations, are extremely rare for those with anxiety, but that doesn't mean that there aren't similar and related hallucinations that are attributed to anxiety symptoms." -Calm Clinic
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Brent Moore The First
4/3/2017 07:59:54 am
I agree, but he has also started murdering more people than the King.
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/4/2017 04:26:13 am
Do you think Lady Macbeth is going through the same thing? Its can of hard to tell just because we see her character less and less as the play goes on, but we can infer that she is feeling the same.
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Tyler Bubb
4/3/2017 07:51:14 am
I believe Macbeth should be blamed for murder as he couldn't stand up for himself and do the right thing. This will lead to his eventual downfall due to his high amount of guilt. He hasn't been able to forget about his actions and has made him feel nervous. Since, he is not in a normal mindset his health will probably worsen and soon he will struggle to accept his actions. Over time, Macbeth will have so much trouble to live with himself he may commit suicide. An unfortunate ending to his life.
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Katherine Asanovich
4/3/2017 07:58:03 am
I agree he should be blamed for his actions and that eventually karma will come back to him. I think Macbeth may take drastic actions later on in his career as king, like suicide, as well.
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Tyler Seidel
4/3/2017 07:07:27 pm
I agree with Macbeth being the one to be blamed for his actions, but I can't see him reverting to suicide as a means to cope with his guilt. Macbeth has usurped power and has taken means to prevent others from disrupting his rise to power, he may be a weak man and easily manipulated by others but he has a desire to remain in power as long as possible (as seen with the murder of Banquo) and due to this fact I could foresee Macbeth being killed by those he loves but never taking his own life.
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Maddie Nyce
4/3/2017 07:51:42 am
1) I believe that Macbeth is to blame for the mistakes he has made, but the influence that his "fate" has had on him is certainly an enormous factor. If he was mentally unstable, and clearly his mental health isn't 100% (or even in a healthy stable range), it could be an explanation on why he was so easily manipulated by his wife and why he is seeing hallucinations. The movie shows that he is a strong warrior when fighting, but he is weak when he is around home. It all changes when he kills King Duncan, and suddenly everything could be a threat to him. He becomes more dominant with Lady Macbeth and he cannot control himself as well as he could. He is able to hide his emotions in the beginning, but as the play progresses, I feel as though his emotions are going to become in control of him.
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Jordan Jones
4/3/2017 08:00:59 am
I agree, but perhaps his mental instability wasn't a factor on why Lady Macbeth could manipulate him. His mental instability was something that appeared after he killed Duncan and killed Banquo. Fate is going to affect things, but I don't believe it's been in ways that we've explicitly seen.
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Faith Anderson
4/3/2017 08:03:17 am
I agree that his mental state was a big part of why he murdered the king. If he was in a stable state of mind, he probably wouldn't have murdered him. The lack of rationalizing his decisions helped contribute to his actions: murder.
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Tyler Seidel
4/3/2017 07:52:06 am
It is obvious throughout the play that Macbeth`s mental health is receding and he is beginning a downward spiral which will lead to his insanity. This spiral begins after Macbeth is given his prophecy by the three witches, after this event he begins to have thoughts of murdering the king and develops a sense of paranoia. This is shown further once he begins to see hallucinations, the dagger then later Banquo`s ghost, these hallucinations show how the guilt of murdering two people whom he was fond of has plagued him throughout his ascension to power. Lady Macbeth on the other hand is not having the same experience as Macbeth and has played the part of being an innocent woman fairly well. She has not started a downward spiral and is maintaining her sanity while trying to help Macbeth deal with his guilt. I don`t believe that the supernatural has effected Macbeth, but however he is simply hallucinating as a result of his oncoming insanity.
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Jordan Jones
4/3/2017 08:03:48 am
I definitely believe that Lady Macbeth is the more sane of the couple, ironically enough. Macbeth has shown more and more of a downward spiral while Lady Macbeth has accepted what she has done.
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Tyler Bubb
4/3/2017 08:09:44 am
I agree with what you said and I like how you answered your questions with detailed analysis to answer them.
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Katherine Asanovich
4/3/2017 07:52:34 am
I believe Macbeth is going crazy because of all the guilt he is feeling. His ambition is also getting out of control causing him to take drastic actions. He does feel guilt but not as much guilt as he felt after killing Duncan. He knows what he has been doing is wrong but feels that it is necessary. Lady Macbeth is now not the crazy one in the relationship. Macbeth is now the one calling the shots and taking drastic actions to gain power. Lady Macbeth is still crazy but she is now starting to lack ambition because she already has what she wants, the throne.
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Morgan Johnson
4/3/2017 07:57:19 am
I agree! What Macbeth has now isn't ambition though, it's pure greed. I think Lady Macbeth didn't see this coming, maybe she misses her docile, easy-to-manipulate husband.
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Scarlett Liberto
4/3/2017 08:01:18 am
yo Macbeth is totally wack now
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Emily Burkhart
4/3/2017 07:58:21 pm
I agree with you Macbeth is now out of control and Lady Macbeth can only cover for his insane actions for so long soon people will begin to catch on that he isn't as innocent as he seems
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Jordan Jones
4/3/2017 07:52:50 am
Macbeth can be fully depended on the all the death in the play. Fate, as it is, can be entirely neutral. Macbeth, on the other hand, only wants what's best for Macbeth (and his future heirs). The movie we mainly watch never really showed Macbeth and Banquo talking to the witches, so it is assumed that their free actions affected their choices instead of the idea of fate. And as it is, Lady Macbeth never wanted things to be dealt with through fate. Either Macbeth was going to be king on their own terms, or he wasn't going to be king at all.
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Jordan
4/3/2017 07:54:26 am
(whoops I did all of the questions :( )
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/4/2017 04:29:46 am
Do you think Macbeth was always for himself? Did he switch personality after he did the deed? I think we see a change in Macbeth from being his nice self to being selfish.
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Brent Moore The First
4/3/2017 07:55:12 am
I say fate is to blame for the deaths that have happened so far because the witches gave him this idea. The movie versions make it seem it is totally Macbeth and Lady Macbeth deciding to commit these murders when it was the witches that gave them the idea. I think Macbeth is being plagued with guilt of the murders and Lady Macbeth is confused why Macbeth isn't telling her anything. I think fair is foul has come true in the play because in Macbeth's thoughts it was fair for him to murder King Duncan to become King, but it was foul to kill him.
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Caitlyn Kinsey
4/3/2017 08:05:43 am
Even the witches told him he would be king, so was it necessary for him to take any action that has now put him in this place? Now he may of ruined his fate because of the guilt he has brought upon himself. He definitely still had the choice whether to kill or not. He knew full well it was the wrong thing to, yet he took advantage of his freewill and carried on with evil actions.
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Kiera Vandyke
4/3/2017 08:08:57 am
I disagree the witches told Macbeth his "fate" but by their own freewill. And who is to say it was Macbeth fate to kill the king, he made the decision of his own freewill no one said fir him to become king that he had to kill anyone.
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Morgan Johnson
4/3/2017 07:55:21 am
Fate and freewill...I would like to think they go hand-in-hand. Macbeth is to blame for the deaths in the play, because he CHOSE to kill them. The murderers CHOSE to kill Banquo. Fate only tells you what the outcome will be; it tells you the destination. But freewill is how you decide to get there, despite your path, you will arrive. The Three Witches said it themselves, they couldn't prevent the husband from arriving at his destination, but they could make his journey miserable.
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Tyler Seidel
4/3/2017 06:59:49 pm
I like how you took a different approach to your analysis, by showing more emotion within your writing it helps to convey your point better; also I agree with your explanation of the difference between fate and free will. Do you think it was fate for Macbeth to kill Duncan or that he could have naturally risen to power?
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Scarlett Liberto
4/3/2017 07:55:31 am
I think Macbeth has had freewill the whole time, that this is not fate. He believes he is taking fate into his own hands. Macbeth is not fully to blame for the deaths but so is Lady Macbeth for pressuring him to kill Duncan. Also the witches are to blame for telling him his fate, he didn't need to act on what the witches said but rather than waiting for nature to take its course he brought actions into his own hands. Therefore it was not only Macbeth's fault that the death's happened but it also mostly on him because he wasn't patient and fell for pressure from his power-hungry wife.
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Faith Anderson
4/3/2017 07:59:30 am
I agree that it was still Macbeth's fault mainly. He came up with murder himself. The witches never told him to murder anyone, they simply told him what the outcome was. This could mean that Macbeth was already capable of murdering someone in cold blood even without the witches or Lady Macbeth influencing him.
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Caitlyn Kinsey
4/3/2017 08:01:43 am
I mostly agree with your statements, however, Macbeth still knew it was wrong to kill Duncan and out of his own freewill he listened to outside forces which is his own fault.
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Emily Burkhart
4/3/2017 07:57:12 am
In my opinion, Macbeth is going crazy from the quilt he has caused himself. Macbeth is aware that he committed an awful crime by killing the innocent king just to gain more power. Now the quilt is overwhelming him and his mind is beginning to play games with him and he is having hallucinations. If he wouldn't have killed innocent men who he believed were a threat to his power he would not be having this problem. The quilt is causing the hallucinations for example the dagger and Banquo coming back from the dead is making him think these things are real, and they are making Macbeth go more insane. As for Lady Macbeth she does not feel any guilt for the actions because she didn't commit these crimes herself.
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Scarlett Liberto
4/3/2017 07:59:53 am
where was there a quilt??
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Katherine Asanovich
4/3/2017 08:01:27 am
I don't remember a magic quilt in the story that causes hallucinations but i do agree that he feels guilty and has gained more power than Lady Macbeth in the relationship.
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Tyler Bubb
4/3/2017 08:01:57 am
I agree completely with them
Scarlett Liberto
4/3/2017 08:04:17 am
I agree with your statement but wouldn't you also say that Lady Macbeth has more power but not over anyone but Macbeth. Remember at the dinner party how she was sitting high up on a throne. Like im too good for you
Caitlyn Kinsey
4/3/2017 07:59:04 am
In my opinion, Macbeth and his freewill are fully to blame in the story. The blame could not have fallen on the witches because they had already told Macbeth that he would be the King of Cawdor. Therefore, using fate as a justification to kill Duncan to "secure" his throne is invalid because that would have been taken care of anyways. On the other hand, it was ultimately Macbeth's free will that drove him to kill Duncan. He absolutely knew it was wrong to do for multiple reasons, as he made known in his soliloquy. However, he went on with his plans because of his power-hungry desires. His conscience told him right from wrong, yet he took advantage of his free will to make a decision and act on it which will always lead to a consequence, good or bad.
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Daniel Burton
4/3/2017 08:01:05 am
Macbeth is the one to blame for all the deaths. He clearly killed the king and that was his decision. The movie shows Macbeth before the killing of Duncan with Lady Macbeth. His wife shows that he was pressured into his final decision. Macbeth is going crazy only because he feels extreme guilt. The ghost of Banquo showed shows this. Although his is a king ,fair, it is foul from what he has done to take that position.
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Emily Burkhart
4/3/2017 08:08:02 am
I believe if it wasn't for Lady Macbeth pressuring him he would have never committed the crime, but also in the end it was his final decision. I also agree with the statement that Macbeth is feeling extreme guilt over his actions.
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Kiera Vandyke
4/3/2017 08:03:09 am
I believe fate has nothing to do with Macbeth becoming king, if the witches sad nothing and Macbeth became king then yes maybe then it was fate. The witches told Macbeth his "fate" by their own free will. Once again I do not blame the murder of the king to be his fault he had second thoughts but Lady Macbeth guilt them in to it. However the other murders Macbeth is the only ones fault, he killed them so he would not get caught, no one told him to kill them. Lastly the movies don't really play on the fate part most of the actions were done by their own freewill.
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Taylor Swiger
4/3/2017 08:06:32 am
I think Macbeth is insane due to the immense guilt he's feeling. It doesn't take supernatural beings to make you feel guilt. I believe the only reason Lady Macbeth doesn't feel guilt for her crimes is because she's a sociopath (like really, she said she'd totally be cool with bashing her child's brains out). Fate does have a role in how things play out, but I think it is possible to change your fate. Think about it, Macbeth could have become King by: 1)Yes, killing Duncan but maybe he and Banquo's children could have hooked up with Macbeth's 2) Maybe Banquo ends up dying (of natural causes) and Fleance is taken in by Macbeth to be raised as King 3) Macbeth has children (illegitimately) and legitimizes them before death so eventually they marry descendants of Banquo's family. As far as "fair is foul and foul is fair" goes, I think aspects of it are shown blatantly throughout the play. Lady Macbeth seems nice, but then plots the murder of the king, or Macbeth acts friendly around his BFF, Banquo, then sends assassins to murder him and his child. The good things are bad. I think eventually, Macbeth will realize that being King is not all it's cracked up to be.
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Rachel Rodriguez
4/3/2017 08:08:39 am
Fate and freewill have once again gone to someone ones head. Unfortunately Macbeth was a victim of such traits. Macbeth is 100% at fault for his actions, because we are all given freewill. However, he is not to be blamed for the en-tired of the deaths. begins with the witches, they are the ones that planted the "truth" in Macbeth head. They were the ones that started a fire in his head, that now consumes him like a wild fire. At first he did not want, but Lady Macbeth's fire was lit immediate and there was no stopping it. She was going to get her way one way or another. Macbeth turned into the monster that he did not want to become, and Lady Macbeth became less of a monster as the story goes on. We see the "fair is foul and foul is fair..." happening with there personality's. As they begin to see what's happening guilt begins to plague there minds and the both are scared and confused. We see Macbeth going to the witches to ask what's next because he doesn't have any clue on what's going on.
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