PD 4 ENGLISH 10 HONORS
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We are going to try something a little bit different today. While you are in the outer circle, you will be discussing the questions digitally, rather than verbally. In the comments area below, please discuss the day 1 questions. To get your full points for today, you must respond at least 5 times, at least two of these should be in the form of an original post, your other comments may be in original posts, or in reply to your peers. Please use text support for your answers. I will be checking your discussion, and you will receive a grade, so please use this space appropriately. Questions for Day 2:
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Faith
4/13/2017 07:35:14 am
#7
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Lynn Bittorf
4/13/2017 07:42:01 am
I agree, and I think that maybe being ambitious can be a little greedy, but only to certain lengths depending on motive.
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Tyler Bubb
4/13/2017 07:46:13 am
I agree because, it shows his character was weak cause he received power and couldn't control himself while he had it. Then he started to commit actions that would be uncharacteristic to a normal human. The power was to much for him to handle.
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Emily Burkhart
4/13/2017 07:57:15 am
I agree, Macbeth was greedy enough to kill his best friend just to make sure he could keep his position. I believe in the beginning he was a loyal good person but now he is greedy and heartless.
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Taylor Swiger
4/13/2017 08:37:46 am
He had greed, not need. It was not necessary to kill people for power.
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Daniel Burton
4/23/2017 06:08:21 am
I agree completely with your statement that his need for power consumed his actions. That is exactly what happened.
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Tye Snyder
4/13/2017 07:35:27 am
#2- I believe in the beginning Macbeth was good in a way, but was corrupted by greed for power. Towards the end, he still felt guilt, which shows he still cared about his actions which is a relatively good thing.
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Tyler Bubb
4/13/2017 07:50:21 am
I agree with that statement, but I think he was more interested in impressing Lady Macbeth than doing it for power. Another reason for this was that he would of been pressured into doing this with her telling him what to do. However, it's good he shows remorse at the end of the play.
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Emily Burkhart
4/13/2017 07:50:32 am
It is a good thing Macbeth felt remorse and guilt because he isn't completely heartless. The good in Lady Macbeth is her trying defend and be there for Macbeth but he continues to push her away.
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Taylor Swiger
4/13/2017 08:36:39 am
I think Macbeth was corrupted, but because he wanted to be. He let himself get this way, and maybe Lady Macbeth had a point in the beginning, he's weak.
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Daniel Burton
4/23/2017 06:10:40 am
Right. In the beginning he was just being loyal to his king and fighting for his country and less for himself. Lady Macbeth was just always a freak.
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Lynn Bittorf
4/13/2017 07:40:16 am
#13 The significance of the family murder shows Macbeth's desperation. He's so set on keeping his power that he will literally do anything. The witches told Macbeth to fear Macduff, not Macduff's family. If Macbeth was thinking rationally, he would have realized that maybe killing Macduff's entire family would make him a little upset.
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Emily Burkhart
4/13/2017 07:46:46 am
Macbeth should have expected Macdudff to come back for revenge after killing his entire family. This scene shows that the power has gone to his head and he isn't able to make rational decisions.
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Faith
4/13/2017 07:41:23 am
#4
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Kiera
4/13/2017 07:56:07 am
I agree anyone capable of feeling guilty for anything can be forced to feel guilty for something they have done. I one is willing to listen then he or she have start to feel guilty.
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Tyler Bubb
4/13/2017 07:41:37 am
1. No he was born with a good soul, but he was manipulated into evil from Lady Macbeth. So as the story went on, he suddenly turned into a person he truly wasn't I believe. Lady Macbeth was born evil, and it shows when she changed Macbeth. She almost shows a soft side when she realizes how much she changed him, which I don't think she actually meant to do.
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Lynn Bittorf
4/13/2017 07:43:52 am
If Lady Macbeth was born evil, why was she guilty about what she'd done? If she was truly evil, as long as things were in her favor, she wouldn't care about what happened to others.
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Faith
4/13/2017 07:45:48 am
If she truly was evil, she wouldn't have felt guilt. I believe she was born selfish, but she can still sympathize with Macbeth and how she changed him.
Tye Snyder
4/13/2017 07:51:06 am
I agree with your statement, but do you believe Macbeth is at fault for not being able to control himself, or do you blame it mainly on the manipulation.
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Kiera
4/13/2017 08:00:27 am
I blame both of them lady Macbeth did manipulate Macbeth but I don't think she knew this was going to happen. But Macbeth is mostly to blame he let the power corrupt him.
Katherine Asanovich
4/24/2017 08:08:39 pm
I agree, Macbeth was born with a pure soul. No one is born evil, they learn to become evil. Lady Macbeth definitely helped him get to the vicious state he was in by the end of the book but in the end, Macbeth was responsible for every decision he made. He made himself more greedy as the story went on and by the middle of the book, he was acting on his own and leaving Lady Macbeth in the dark.
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Emily Burkhart
4/13/2017 07:44:03 am
Question 7: Greed and the need for power make Macbeth make harsh and unnecessary actions. For example, if he didn't feel the need to be in power he would have never killed King Duncan. After Macbeth killed Duncan he felt he needed to kill anyone that got in his way, this is the power getting to Macbeths head. Before hand Macbeth was a very loyal and kind hearted now with this power he is going insane.
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Lynn Bittorf
4/13/2017 07:49:54 am
Another factor to prove his insanity is that he doesn't just kill people who get in his way, he kills Macduff's entire family who did nothing to him.
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Taylor Swiger
4/13/2017 08:30:58 am
The need for power doesn't make Macbeth harsh. He doesn't even need more power, because I'm pretty sure that he being Thane was his birthright. He is just greedy.
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The Snyder
4/13/2017 07:46:06 am
#13
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Morgan
4/13/2017 08:13:11 am
How did he so quickly decide to kill their family? It sickens me. All those children and innocent people...just slaughtered like pigs. Macbeth deserved it when his family died too, by family I mean lady Macbeth
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Lynn Bittorf
4/13/2017 07:46:36 am
2. Sometimes people can be blinded of consequences by their own selfish thoughts. Macbeth was so desperate to keep the throne that he seemed to have lose all sense of moral reason. Lady Macbeth corrupted her husband for the throne, but ends up losing her husband in the process. They both got what they wanted, but they lost something in the process.
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Faith
4/13/2017 07:53:12 am
Lady Macbeth may have corrupted Macbeth, but it may not all be because of her. Macbeth already killed people in battle as a soldier for the king, so he already knew what it meant to take someone's life, and that didn't bother him. The only "morality" he showed was when he wanted to resist murdering Duncan. I don't think Macbeth actually has what we consider "morals".
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Tyler Bubb
4/13/2017 07:53:18 am
Yes, he doesn't realize that he actually does all this until he has no power or control over people. Power can turn an average human and make them feel that nobody can stop them in their way. He wasn't able to be a perfect leader in these circumstances.
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Tye Snyder
4/13/2017 07:55:00 am
I agree with this, I like the fact that you used "blinded". It shows that he really couldn't understand what he was doing at some points.
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Kiera
4/13/2017 07:52:21 am
#3 Lady Macbeth's suicied was here final of her insanity, everything that happened has finally caught up with her. She had seen the effects of everything and what she did to the man she loved. She knew she could never have him back and didn't know who to cope with it.
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Faith
4/13/2017 07:58:25 am
I agree with that. I feel like since he was so distant with her, she felt like she already lost him. Her suicide basically tells us that she can't live with the guilt, but she also can't live without Macbeth.
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Daniel Burton
4/23/2017 06:18:28 am
Nice thought. I like how you said she was worried she would never have Macbeth back again. You are probably right.
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Emily Burkhart
4/13/2017 07:54:11 am
Question 3: Lady Macbeths suicide was a final sign of her insanity in my opinion because the guilt of knowing about the deaths, and her husband pushing himself away was driving her insane. Eventually, her mind was too overwhelming and she couldn't live with her and her husbands actions so it was a final sign of her insanity.
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Tye Snyder
4/13/2017 07:58:06 am
I agree with you, but do think that it was insanity that drove her to kill herself, or do you believe she was sane when she did this, and it was all she thought she could do?
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Katherine Asanovich
4/24/2017 08:05:33 pm
I don't think Lady Macbeth's suicide made her insane. If anything it was the only sign of humanity she showed through out the book. She killed her self because she couldn't handle the guilt of having blood on her hands. Before she only cared about gaining power and she didn't care what she had to do to get there. Killing herself of course shouldn't be looked at as a heroic action, but it was out of remorse which she never showed before.
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Tyler Bubb
4/13/2017 07:56:42 am
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Kiera
4/13/2017 08:08:41 am
Their death was a symbol of Macbeth being corrupted by power he no longer cared, he did as he please he didn't see fit to find reasons to do things farther than he wants to.
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Katherine Asanovich
4/24/2017 08:02:40 pm
I agree, killing his family was very unnecessary. All it accomplished was making Macduff even more angry and revengeful towards Macbeth making his murder easier. Killing Macduffs family got Macbeth no where and only caused more problems for him in the future.
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Kiera
4/13/2017 08:05:05 am
#8 ambition was not Macbeth's tragic flaw his, blind faith in lady Macbeth was. He was weak and didn't stand for his beliefs he was will to change for lady Macbeth.
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Morgan Johnson
4/13/2017 08:05:20 am
Q15) I believe it takes good times to see the true nature in man. Whenever there's something in our way, of course we will do anything to get rid of it, or overcome. But how would we act if there was nothing in the way? Would you still be nice if you knew no one would applaud you for it? Would we not crash cars or hurt people even if there were no consequence? I think we'd see Macbeth's true nature if we put him in a place where he can do whatever he wants.
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Morgan Johnson
4/13/2017 08:11:30 am
Q8) Macbeth's fatal flaw is not ambition, his flaw is being easily manipulated. His wife even said so, he's too soft. Because of this, he ended up trying to fulfill a wish that really wasn't his. He wasn't completely decisive about almost everything, even in the beginning when he's told he will be king, he second guesses even himself.
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Taylor Swiger
4/13/2017 08:16:47 am
3) I think Lady Macbeth was rational in her suicide, but she was insane at the same time. Serial killers rationalize murder by saying it was for a greater good. Soldiers have to live with some of the guilt they take back from the battlefield, and they rationalize by saying it was the cost of justice, even if they accidentally killed an innocent bystander. Lady Macbeth tried rationalizing murdering Duncan by saying it was the only way to fulfill the prophecy. She rationalized suicide because she felt there was nothing left for her in the world. Her world is falling apart because of her insanity.
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Taylor Swiger
4/13/2017 08:23:38 am
4) I think we should still hold Lady Macbeth accountable for her suicide. She had free will. While it was the witches in the first place who filled Macbeth and Lady Macbeth's heads with desires, they both had the opportunity to change things. If Lady Macbeth hadn't been so greedy, she could have lived a decent life, but her greed led her to more than she bargained for.
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Daniel Burton
4/23/2017 05:45:47 am
6. If the play did not take place during a time of war, Macbeth would have not had as much fame. He would have not been as close to the king as he was. Therefore he would have never killed the king. Through fighting is where Macbeth was able to draw power. The war is what also led him to the witches which made him want to become king.
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Daniel Burton
4/23/2017 05:56:05 am
12. In the Patrick Stewart film, the witches are shown playing the role of nurses. Sometimes a nurse is supposed to give a feeling of comfort. However, we know that they are evil witches. It's another way to add in the fair is foul and foul is fair.
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Katherine
4/24/2017 07:57:07 pm
7. Greed and need for power effect Macbeth's actions because he has such a drive and need for more and more power that it causes him to do drastic things. He never feels as if he has enough power, this ambition is what causes him to do evil things to get what he wants.
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Katherine Asanovich
4/24/2017 07:59:59 pm
8. Ambitions isn't a bad trait. In the beginning of the story Macbeth's ambition drove him to be a trust worthy, honorable man. But, once power came into the equation it made him evil. His ambition eventually grew into an unhealthy need for power which turned his ambition that once made him great, made him just the opposite.
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