PD 3 ENGLISH 10 HONORS
In the comments section, please discuss one of the below questions. Then, respond to two of your peer's responses.
Your answers should be quality responses of at least 5 thoughtful sentences. Please make sure to respond to peer responses by midnight Monday (4/3). Peer responses must add to the discussion. Responses such as "I agree" or "that is stupendous" will not receive credit.
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Sarah Brown
4/3/2017 05:34:20 am
Freewill plays a large role in Macbeth. Although fate put the thought of murder into Macbeth's mind, he is the one that decided to follow through with the deed. Despite the influences on Macbeth, he is ultimately to blame for the murder. In the movie based during the war, fate plays a large role because the witches can be found all throughout the scenes doing common things, such a when they were in the kitchen cooking. They may be seen doing common deeds, but their presence gives a certain feel to the audience.
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Ashton Lazorick
4/3/2017 06:50:57 am
Freewill and fate are not the same thing. Fate is something that will end up happening no matter what is done. Freewill is something you have a say over in order to get to your inevitable fate. MacBeth used freewill to kill the king. His fate was not to kill the king. He chose to do that to get where he is now. No matter what he does, fate will still happen. The end result will not change, it's how he chooses to get to that end result that will.
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Kaelyn Hoffman
4/3/2017 07:14:27 am
Macbeth used to think fate would lead him in the right path, but he soon tries to control his own destiny, by abusing what the witches say, and doing everything he can for power.
Ashton Lazorick
4/3/2017 06:52:44 am
I agree that fate is not a choice we make on our own, but making choices does get us to our fate. MacBeth chose to kill the king, it was not his fate to kill the king.
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Nicolas Morel
4/3/2017 07:07:27 am
This is true, but without fate nothing would have come from it. Fate guided Macbeth to where he thought he could control what happens.
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Lynn Bittorf
4/3/2017 07:49:59 am
But when you think about it, what is fate? Is it something that is set, or something that can change with situations?
Lynn Bittorf
4/3/2017 07:53:04 am
I like the mention of the witches being portrayed as almost normal, but when we see them we associate them with bad things.
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Owen
4/3/2017 05:00:59 pm
I agree with your statement Sarah. Macbeth had the free will to decide wether or not he would kill Duncan for just ignore what the witches had told him, but he killed Duncan and that would make his fate come true
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Shelby Silveous
4/3/2017 06:55:00 am
When we first meet Macbeth, he is coming back from war and he has spoken to the witches who have given him his fate. As time goes on, Macbeth becomes greedy and self centered. He becomes so wrapped up in this extravagant life style, I feel he looses his mind. He begins to feel guilt for killing innocent people thus he begins to see them at the dinner. Lady Macbeth, however, is feeling no guilt. Instead she must keep Macbeth silent about the deeds they have done.
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Ashton Lazorick
4/3/2017 06:57:45 am
I think that the witches do have some part in the guilt MacBeth is feeling. They could be making these bad things happen.
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Alicyn
4/3/2017 07:16:39 am
With Macbeth feeling guilty, he has felt guilty, however I do not think the witches take a toll because they told him his fate and he decided to take control of it.
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Owen
4/3/2017 05:03:44 pm
I agree with your statement the witches did really bring all of the bad things to the entire story. Without them Macbeth and Lady Macbeth would not have killed Duncan and he would not be crazy
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Charli Sween
4/3/2017 06:56:27 am
I think that the supernatural are plaguing MacBeth with guilt. MacBeth knew what he was doing was wrong. He gave in to the pressure of Lady MacBeth anyway. At first he did not want to kill Duncan, but he thought about being king and Lady MacBeth convinced him. Now I think that the guilt is getting to him because he never wanted to do it in the first place.
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Nicolas Morel
4/3/2017 07:11:32 am
I feel like he is trapped between feeling that if he didnt do it then he would not be "manly" and since he did do it feeling worried about being discovered as the murderer. However, since he did it, the power hungry ambition made him less regret killing and more paranoid of being discovered.
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Boni Macias
4/3/2017 01:10:03 pm
I agree somewhat, but I believe there was no supernatural causes to what has happened except when the witches told Macbeth his future. Although, I do also believe Lady Macbeth pressured Macbeth to kill Duncan.
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Alicyn
4/3/2017 07:04:25 am
With Macbeth killing Ducan and Banquo, I do think that he is feeling guilty with the supernatural impacting it. When he had the murders kill Banquo, the ghost showed up, and was in his seat/near him shown in the movie. Lady Macbeth when she helped kill Ducan, she has not felt guilty, but she did not know about Banquo until Macbeth had told her. When Macbeth sees the ghost, she plays it off like he is crazy since he was little, that his little out bursts happen often and they should not be concerned about it. When they killed Ducan, Macbeth kept worrying about everything while Lady Macbeth told him to stop and it was fate. So, she has not felt guilty for killing, but Macbeth has.
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Myles
4/3/2017 07:11:01 am
This is a really good point and I somewhat agree. However, I think Macbeth hasn't felt guilty for killing because he had his best friend killed in order to stay in power.
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Sydney Morris
4/4/2017 05:13:44 am
Agreed, at the beginning Lady Macbeth influenced Macbeth's decisions but when it came to Banquo she was oblivious and he chose to do that on his own.
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Shelby Silveous
4/4/2017 03:15:21 pm
I agree, Macbeth had felt the guilt of murder. Along with that, he continues to weigh in on what he has done this he commits more murder.
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Nicolas Morel
4/3/2017 07:05:22 am
Throughout the play, Macbeth changes his view on fate. At the beginning of the play Macbeth says that if fate will have him be King then so be it. However, once Macbeth starts gaining power and seeing power within his grasp, he starts to believe that his freewill is what makes him who he is. This can be seen when he decides to kill Banquo and Flaeance to try to secure his power.
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Kaelyn Hoffman
4/3/2017 07:12:49 am
I agree, I think he changes his whole mind set, and makes it all about him towards the middle of the play. He starts to panic, and tries to destroy everything in his way, to get his way.
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Myles
4/3/2017 07:14:09 am
Macbeth believes he has the power to change destiny. He is very selfish for having his best friend killed, and trying to have Banqou's son killed, just to remain king. He has grown numb to the guilt of killing as long as it contributes to his success at the end of the day.
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Myles Mason
4/3/2017 07:07:34 am
In my opinion, I believe that Macbeth is going a little bit crazy. He now has experience of what having power and control feels like and greediness is taking over. He wants to stay in power, so he is doing some things he would never even dream of doing in his right state of mind. For example, having Banquo killed, which reassured him his spot as king. Lady Macbeth has calmed down a lot and is acting more lady-like than ever before. However, I believe deep down she still thinks she wears the pants and has Macbeth under her control.
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Sierra Barrett
4/3/2017 08:59:38 am
I agree with you about everything you said. I think once someone gets a taste of power, some of them can go overboard and want even more power. Macbeth seems to be turning that way.
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Boni Macias
4/3/2017 01:07:33 pm
I do agree with you on how his greediness is starting to take over, but I do believe he was going crazy even before he gained all the power, such as when he hallucinated the dagger right before he killed the king.
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Kaelyn Hoffman
4/3/2017 07:11:24 am
I wouldn't say the killings are all 100% Macbeth's fault, his wife, Lady Macbeth played a big role in this. Macbeth had the witches come to him, with what he thought was fate. He was told he was supposed to be king, it was his destiny. When he first got this news, he was not gullible towards. Also, even for a little, we saw him doubtful, he was not in the mindset of killing the king. He could not be that disloyal to the king, and simply did not think it was worth it. His wife convinced him, and almost forced him into this regretful action. I think after he kills Duncan, he goes into this panic mode, and almost becomes numb. He tries to get rid of anything in his path, and once he starts, it's like he can't stop. Fate and freewill play into this as well. Everything the witches predicted in the movie, is now coming true. Everything is shaping up just like it should be.
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Chandler
4/3/2017 07:20:42 am
When Macbeth killed those people he did it thinking he had no choice, but he really did.
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Sydney Morris
4/4/2017 05:15:28 am
Yes, I would not blame Macbeth completely for the deaths because outside matters influenced him greatly. Once the witches mentioned a chance to become King, it all started to go downhill.
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Bethany
4/3/2017 07:12:17 am
After Macbeth killed Duncan to gain power and he had the blood on his hands he started going a little crazy, he was so worried that they would get caught and that the blood would never come off. While Lady Macbeth was calm and telling him what to do. After Banquo was dead they had a dinner party. Banquo's ghost had arrived, but i don't think it was really there, Macbeth was feeling so guilty that he made that ghost appear. Now Lady Macbeth trying to calm him down again and explain. I think that every time Macbeth kills someone he becomes a little more crazy. In comparison to Macbeth, Lady Macbeth doesn't seem as crazy as she started out to be. Shes just worried about people finding out they murdered Duncan and Banquo and they will no longer be king and queen.
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Sierra Barrett
4/3/2017 08:57:06 am
What you said made me start thinking that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are almost opposites when it comes to all of the deaths. Macbeth seems to be going more crazy while Lady Macbeth seems to almost be calming down.
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Sydney Morris
4/4/2017 05:16:41 am
To me, Lady Macbeth was more power hungry so for her it was easier to commit such a crime. It was also easier for her because she had Macbeth do the deed for her.
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Shelby Silveous
4/4/2017 03:17:46 pm
I agree that she is calm and she is trying to cover up the murders. However, she does not feel the guilt or pain of the tragic losses and therefore she does not merit any actions.
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Sydney Morris
4/3/2017 07:13:15 am
Fate and free will play hand in hand during Macbeth. The witches announced their expectations of Macbeth's fate, but he took it in his own hands to make it happen. Once Lady Macbeth was told of his destiny, she was persistent on making it happen. This is when Macbeth's mind was played to kill Duncan. Both the play and movie show Lady Macbeth as a conniving and deceitful character who played mind games to get what she desired.
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Natalie Linton
4/4/2017 03:28:15 am
I totally agree with your point about Macbeth and Lady Macbeth's act. They definitely cover up their flaws in order to uphold their power. This could also be a factor into Macbeth's guilt, and it could be beginning to drive Lady Macbeth crazy, as well.
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Savanna Overstreet
4/3/2017 07:14:27 am
"fair is foul and foul is fair" This phrase contemplates the difference between playing fair vs. foul. In this case, everything needs to be played foul. In order to achieve what Macbeth wants, he can't afford to be nice and earn everything the right way. He has to lie and cheated, which is played foul, but in this case, it is considered fair. Throughout the story, people get in his way, and he has to end them. Or else, they could be used against him. Foul play, is always fair when dealing with a monarchy.
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Chandler A.
4/3/2017 07:19:26 am
I feel like Macbeth has free will. He can still do what he wants but, whatever he does it will end up with the same results. I think he is fully to blame for killing those people. I think he is going crazy with guilt. He is a cold blooded murderer. The quote "Fair is Foul, and Foul is Fair" means you do what you have to do to get what you want.
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#2 - I believe Macbeth is starting to go crazy, but not as much as a book actually describes. Evidence is actually when he rewards murders to kill his best friend in fear of getting caught. Another reason is when he see the ghost and starts freaking out at the dinner while yet is wife was trying to claim him down. This also seemed to disturbed his guess sense they had elected a "crazy" man there king. I believe that the ghostly image is just his guilt filled mind playing tricks on him.
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Natalie Linton
4/3/2017 07:21:07 am
In my opinion, the deaths of Banquo and Duncan are acts of freewill. Macbeth is, although manipulated by Lady Macbeth to murder in the first place, is fully aware of what he has done. The witches' roles in the movie communicate a different view of fate, implying that supernatural forces (the witches) are actually responsible for the deaths. They are seen in the background of scenes that the play does not have them in, indicating that they are choosing to have these murders occur. As far as them making Macbeth guilty, I think that is partially true. Macbeth has been brainwashed into believing that to achieve his power, he needs to kill, and he is guilty naturally because he is aware of this. Lady Macbeth, other hand, is not guilty in my opinion; she shows no remorse for the killings. She is only worried for Macbeth's sanity because he is haunted by his actions, as we seen in the banquet scene when he sees Banquo's ghost. She only tries to cover up the murders more at this time in the play. The phrase "Fair is foul, and foul is fair" that we read in the first scene of the play has become reality in terms of Macbeth having hallucinations since he took two individuals lives.
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Ryan Williams
4/4/2017 04:36:03 pm
Everything is still set upside down because they have no care for what they do or how bad it is after the killing of Duncan. The willingness to kill and do wrong is increased dramatically in a short period of time and once Macbeth is king there will be no hope for him because he will keep wanting more and more which will only lead to his death.
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Lynn Bittorf
4/3/2017 07:48:13 am
Macbeth is fully to blame for the murders. People have a moral compass and he is not excluded, so some part of him knew that this was not right, but he chose to do it anyway. Lady Macbeth would be an accomplice to murder because she returned the murder weapons to the scene of the crime in an attempt to make the servants look guilty. Both story and movies tell that Macbeth was the one that ultimately did the deed and therefore there is no room for argument. Macbeth is so focused on power that he is starting to lose his sense of right or wrong, and will stop at nothing to try and keep control over his life (or at least a false sense of control) Macbeth has shown us that appearance deceives, and that it can be altered to fulfill a specific intention.
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Ej Heath
4/3/2017 08:05:56 am
I think that the deaths in the play so far are mainly Macbeth's fault. However he is not the only one that should get all the blame. Macbeth would probably have never killed King Duncan if it wasn't for the witches telling him his fate. Macbeth did act on freewill but that is only because he assumed it was the only way his fate would come true. Also Macbeth did not even really want to kill Duncan until Lady Macbeth went crazy about him having second thoughts. The witches telling Macbeth his fate is the only reason he acted on freewill. Freewill is pretty much why all these events have happened though.
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Sierra Barrett
4/3/2017 08:53:45 am
I don't think that fate and freewill are the same thing because freewill is something that you have the power to control but fate, you do not. I believe that when it came to Macbeth killing Duncan it was freewill. He didn't have to kill the king if it was fate. If it were fate then Duncan would have died from something else for Macbeth to receive the throne. The witches and Lady Macbeth were very persuasive but it was really his decision when it came to killing Duncan.
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Ej heath
4/3/2017 06:18:24 pm
I agree with you .. however do you think if Macbeth would have waited and took a chance with fate that he would still eventually become king ? Or do you think the only way for him to become king was to kill the current king Duncan?
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Natalie Linton
4/4/2017 03:33:33 am
I agree 100%! Fate is definitely not the case so far in this play. No matter what influences there are with the murders, it ultimately comes down to Macbeth following through with them. Therefore, he is to blame.
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Mia
4/4/2017 06:24:05 am
I agree with Natalie. Macbeth is in control over his actions and this story does not revolve around fate.
Boni Macias
4/3/2017 01:04:44 pm
I do believe Macbeth is going crazy at this point in the play. At the beginning he was a normal noble serving his king, but once Banquo and him met the witches he began to think murderous thoughts that he has never thought of before. In Act 1, we see that Macebeth tells his wife all what the witches have told him and ridicules him in a persuasive way that makes him kill the king. In Act 2, we Macbeth see a hallucinations about a dagger and he believes that he can see and touch it, which is the big reason onto why Macbeth is going crazy and we see him go crazy. After Macbeth orders some criminals to do this dirty work, we see a feast of all the nobles and Macbeth believes he see the ghost of Banquo and this is one of the pinnacle moments we see his craziness take over him.
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Natalie Linton
4/4/2017 03:31:25 am
At the banquet, it is important to note how Lady Macbeth acts in attempt to cover up Macbeth's hallucination that caused a scene in front of their guests. The ghost of Banquo that he saw is, as you kind of said, one of the tipping points of his crazy guilty conscience. Great points!
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Owen Lehr
4/3/2017 05:12:28 pm
At this point in the story Macbeth is completely out of his mind. First he sees a floating dagger and now he sees Banqo during the feast. He is seeing ghosts which no one else can see. Now everybody knows he is a lunatic and isn't sane. Lady Macbeth however is completely fine and is just living her royal life and Macbeth is dragging her down because he can't hold him self together. Lady Macbeth makes up things so that Macbeth won't look so crazy. "He just has an illness". I can't believe those people actually believed that yelling at absolutely nothing is an illness. So yea I think Macbeth is going insane and he is dragging Lady Macbeth down with him.
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Ej heath
4/3/2017 06:24:33 pm
I mean honestly.. he killed people which he did not need to kill so I think it makes since to have the amount guilt that he has and him seeing these things is mind playing evil tricks on him.. so do you maybe think that Lady Macbeth is really the crazy one since she is not really feeling the way Macbeth does?
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Mia
4/4/2017 06:22:48 am
I agree with Ej. That amount of guilt could influence a persons mind and for the time can make them see things in a different way and if it's bad enough can hallucinate because the burden of what they did is so heavy on their shoulders.
Mia
4/4/2017 06:20:17 am
I believe that fate and free will play a very large role in Macbeth. However, I believe that free will plays a much larger role than fate. Macbeth can control his actions no matter who maybe influencing him. He is still in charge of his own actions. I believe that most things that happen in Macbeth are out of free will and greed and that people will fight and become poisoned with greed if you work for something you want in a wrong way.
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Ryan
4/4/2017 04:34:33 pm
Well it truly depends on what he does with the knowledge. Macbeth could have ignored the prophecy and knocked his award of thane of Cawdor up to being a coincidence and let fate be fate as he had said but he is very greedy and wanted it all for himself and didn't want to wait.
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Ryan Williams
4/4/2017 04:33:06 pm
In the saying of "fair is foul and foul is fair" you can assume that what was once wrong is now right and right is now wrong. So we can see that in multiple instances in the first three acts. For example Macbeth killing king Duncan, that was just the beginning of his out of the normal killings. Then the very night he killed the king there was horses eating horses and it was dark leading into the time it should have been light. Macbeth has upset the natural way of things and the world reacted. Now he assumes that fate will lead him along and he is trying to cut off loose ends. Though he is going completely off the rails doing everything that wouldn't be ok with Macbeth in the beginning he is fine with it now. Even the right being wrong and wrong being right had taken an effect on Macbeth and the way he handles certain situations.
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